[wellbeingplus]

Mental health and voluntary work by trainees within the NHS health service units should not be allowed without pay! It stops professional persons in training who require a post to gain relevant experience moving forward with their career; many of whom, have had to pay for their own courses and training in the mental health arena.

[fairy]

very scary watching this budget

[EagleEye]

Chris - Rethink, on 20 October 2010 - 11:52 AM, said:

Read about the Support People programme here.

Thanks I will look at that. At the moment I am being supported by a housing support worker with basic training in mental health issues. I am getting no help from my local mental health team despite attempting suicide three times this year and self harming. Maybe this programme will help me.

Fiona

[ghost]

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£6 billion for Supported People (supported housing)

They should just scrap 'supporting people' and fund directly, supporting people is just another expensive layer of bureaucracy.

[wellbeingplus]

Good luck with your court case Fiona.

Exactly cuts anywhere and with any amount in mental health units are a very poor options for the UK!

[Chris - Rethink]

EagleEye, on 20 October 2010 - 12:53 PM, said:

New here but I don't see where the cuts in mental health are going to go.
Fiona

The full picture on impact of all this on mental health will take a while to really become clear, and we certainly don't want anyone to worry too much - perhaps joining Rethink campaigns will help?

[ghost]

As for changes in social housing, what a con. New council house tenants will be expected to pay 80% of the market rate. That means that in areas such as London or other high rent areas, with the cap, that the less well off will be forced out of those areas.

[fairy]

i agree chris what actually do these cuts mean for us all

[Arj Subanandan]

Chris - Rethink, on 20 October 2010 - 11:27 AM, said:

Cameron says that Govt decisions will "lead to more social homes being built" - with reference to plans to give local authorities more 'borrowing power'

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Cameron: "The whole point about NHS reform is to put more power in the hands of patients and doctors"...

What do you think about that statement?

Doctors killed 1,800 people a year when they used antipsyuchotics in the treatment of dementia in the elderly. (source Royal College of Psychiatry report). That's more in a year that homicides by person with a mental health problem in a quarter of a century I reckon. Antipsychotics don't treat dementia. They treat psychosis right? But they're useful as a chemical cosh. They were used to sedate the elderly but it turns out they were killing the elderly quicker. Even once they found out the effect on life expectancy (antipsychotics reduce life expectancy by 50% in very old people with dementia) they still continue to use them even though they don't treat demenita.

Would you trust your doctor once you knew that? It was the government that promoted the Royal College of Psychiatry to investigate this and it was the government that acted to change the dementia strategy.

[Chris - Rethink]

@rethink_ G'ment has committed to providing treatment for mentally ill offenders in criminal justice system which is something Rethink has been demanding through our #fairtreatmentnow campaign

[Chris - Rethink]

BBC NEWS: BBC health reporter Nick Triggle says: An extra £2bn has been promised for social care by the end of the parliament, but this could be more or less cancelled out by inflation and increasing demands from the ageing population.

[EagleEye]

ghost, on 20 October 2010 - 11:56 AM, said:

They should just scrap 'supporting people' and fund directly, supporting people is just another expensive layer of bureaucracy.

I agree. I tried to get "direct payments" from my local social services which was designed to help disabled people achieve independence (including mental health issues). However in my local area social services are preparing to cut back payments only to those with "critical physical" problems.

They also turned me down when I applied. Now hardly anyone in going to get them

Fiona

[wellbeingplus]

Thanks for the link Chris.

[EagleEye]

Chris - Rethink, on 20 October 2010 - 12:00 PM, said:

The full picture on impact of all this on mental health will take a while to really become clear, and we certainly don't want anyone to worry too much - perhaps joining Rethink campaigns will help?

I've just signed up to become an e activist!

Fiona

[Arj Subanandan]

EagleEye, on 20 October 2010 - 11:56 AM, said:

Thanks I will look at that. At the moment I am being supported by a housing support worker with basic training in mental health issues. I am getting no help from my local mental health team despite attempting suicide three times this year and self harming. Maybe this programme will help me.

Fiona

I'm sorry to hear that Fiona.

Have you been offered any psychological therapies? There's one called Dialectical Behavioural Therapy. It's been shown to be successful in reducing self-harm and parasuicidal behaviours. It's hard to get on the NHS because its expensive. It takes a year and can involve two therapist. It has helped a lot of people though.

Mind produce an okay factsheet on the therapy if you want more information.
http://www.mind.org....http://www.mind.org.uk/help/medical_and_alternative_care/dialectical_behaviour_therapy

[Chris - Rethink]

EagleEye, on 20 October 2010 - 01:04 PM, said:

I've just signed up to become an e activist!
Fiona

Brilliant! Thanks Fiona.

[EagleEye]

wellbeingplus, on 20 October 2010 - 11:59 AM, said:

Good luck with your court case Fiona.

Exactly cuts anywhere and with any amount in mental health units are a very poor options for the UK!

Thanks! I am very determined and have an excellent mental health consultant as a solicitor. The local mental health service are worried it will set a precedent if I win and that is what I am hoping . It's what keeps me going!
Fiona

[Chris - Rethink]

Osborne targeting those "who could look for work, but lack the confidence or the skills to try"

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(This may be just me, but he seems to speak much more quickly when actually telling us the cuts/freezes etc.)

[fairy]

ghost, on 20 October 2010 - 12:00 PM, said:

As for changes in social housing, what a con. New council house tenants will be expected to pay 80% of the market rate. That means that in areas such as London or other high rent areas, with the cap, that the less well off will be forced out of those areas.

Is that not what they want the ordinary people dont really matter

[Arj Subanandan]

VictoriaB, on 20 October 2010 - 11:44 AM, said:

Wow, £36 billion in Whitehall cuts...

That's pretty cool. Yeah. Impressive.