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Madness Radio: Talking About Suicidal Feelings David Webb
First Aired 9-1-2011 How common are suicidal feelings? Is a psychiatric illness behind suicidal despair -- or a meaningful and even spiritual life crisis? Does forced hospitalization really provide help? Suicide attempt survivor David Webb, author of Thinking About Suicide: Contemplating and Comprehending the Urge to Die, discusses how speaking openly about suicidal feelings, rather than reacting with panic and fear, is the best form of suicide prevention.


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I've been nearly a year without any significant suicidal ideation. This is mostly, in my mind, because things are getting significantly bleaker in society at large. The idea of a cosmic balnace is probably too simplistic but when others are sharing the pain it seems less perhaps? It helps not just to talk about these feelings but to go out of your way to seek out the positive and depress them with your, or their, likely reality tommorow. This creates a little empathy, you see it in their misery that they have taken a hit on their unfounded false optimism. This is maybe happening all through society helping to create the kind of depressive realism that'll help either get us out of our mess, or more likely share it with another nation in warfare? We all know how the 1930s ended? The task of the wise is to think about 1946? The year after peace is declared, and the austerity it brings too? At some level it is the same for us as individuals...we must stretch our vision beyond the accepted horizon...to heal, to see and to move forward?

[I am an Aardvark]

This part of one of the comments stood out to me -

"Julie wrote of certain life experiences many find themselves in when they are contemplating suicide. I would like to add to her list a few more: finding oneself without purpose and meaning in their life; realizing they are not needed, wanted, or of any importance to anyone; loneliness so engulfing there are days it is hard to even breath let alone get out of bed to "embrace" life; "well meaning" family continuing to think of them as the "elephant in the middle of the livingroom" creating ongoing distance and rejection."

If I'm honest - I've been unhappy since around the age of 11; I was suicidally depressed through my late teens & early 20's, & survived a serious suicide attempt that ended in another stay in psychiatric hospital. I vowed after that attempt that I'd never try it again.

A lot has gone on in my life over the past few years; a lot of challenges & difficulties - & whatever I have tried to improve things; it seems that I am left with some very deep rooted psychological issues. I have some very off days wanting to be dead, I find it very hard to get any genuine enjoyment from life. I wouldn't attempt suicide again - But I'd say it was a fair comment to say that more often than not I feel suicidally depressed; & I think that anyone with my history & circumstances would be. Sure - I have moments & some days that are better than others - but overall my mental health is declining - it has been again for years now.

But I'm left with the same questions & dilemma - what am I meant to do about it all? What help is there? Who really cares? The only 'help' from the people & system that is meant to help; if I was to be honest with them; is to be stuffed full of more drugs (at best) - I hate this World - it's f*cuked up.

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I am a Cat, on 16 October 2011 - 11:58 AM, said:

But I'm left with the same questions & dilemma - what am I meant to do about it all? What help is there? Who really cares? The only 'help' from the people & system that is meant to help; if I was to be honest with them; is to be stuffed full of more drugs (at best) - I hate this World - it's f*cuked up.

Over the last few days i have been feeling lower and lower.
1st action - the cpn says to me to ground myslef, ie get into the things we were doing at the gym.
2nd action - I called a helpline and they were concened and I promised to look after myself.
3rd action - not wanting to eat, which is noted by my husband.
4th action - hubby says are you hearing voices and I answer yes. He says take a sleeping tablet and goto bed, which is what I did.
5th action - walking to church this morning I had two options, one was to go to church the other was to make my way to our bridge and jump. I decided to $£*& the voices and went on to the church.
6th action - a friend realised I was out of sorts with the world, and wanted to take me home,but I couldn't move. Irang the crisis team.
7th action - they called me straight back and as a friend took me home in a car, they rang my husband to ask how I'd been.
8th action - I went to sleep at home and 30minutes later that crisis team arrived, discussed all sorts but have now ended up a chem cosh of lorazapam. every eight hours they'll come and give me some more until when?????
Help.
M


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[manic666]

The best suiside deterant ,was given to me by a shrink as i recovered from an overdose. He just said . KILL YOURSELF AN YOU KILL YOU KIDS . Did it for me

[ChrisB]

manic666, on 20 November 2011 - 09:55 AM, said:

The best suiside deterant ,was given to me by a shrink as i recovered from an overdose. He just said . KILL YOURSELF AN YOU KILL YOU KIDS . Did it for me

I hear you, honestly I do but the key in what you said there was "when I was recovering".....at the point of the attempted suicide I dont believe such logic is often available, but thats exactly why the conversations have to happen before and (hopefully) after the attempt, so that if a next time comes along, perhaps, just maybe an echo of that rational logic can be heard........ I hope so

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ChrisB, on 20 November 2011 - 10:39 AM, said:

I hear you, honestly I do but the key in what you said there was "when I was recovering".....at the point of the attempted suicide I dont believe such logic is often available, but thats exactly why the conversations have to happen before and (hopefully) after the attempt, so that if a next time comes along, perhaps, just maybe an echo of that rational logic can be heard........ I hope so

I agree Chris, when I was about to jump from a bridge last month I couldn't take on board all that people said. The drunks who stopped me had their work cut out trying to stop me until the police arrived an took over. It is not easy. Now I see other ways out, but then ... it was a different matter.

M.

[manic666]

This is very true , you think of nothing when suicidal, I remember saying to the wife in hospital, tell the kids im sorry. She said what about me, i was guilt ridden everyone crying an its my fault i thought. That,s how the depression monster takes no prisioner,s

[ChrisB]

manic666, on 20 November 2011 - 05:26 PM, said:

This is very true , you think of nothing when suicidal, I remember saying to the wife in hospital, tell the kids im sorry. She said what about me, i was guilt ridden everyone crying an its my fault i thought. That,s how the depression monster takes no prisioner,s

Yeah I hear ya.......... I remember the first time my kids visited after me being sectioned I could hardly make eye contact......