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#1 User is offline   Chris - Rethink 

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Posted 17 January 2011 - 06:26 PM

Posted ImageThursday 10 February sees your chance to grill a Government Minister about welfare reform

Many people affected by mental health issues are worried about the Government's proposed changes to the welfare system. The benefits that millions currently receive are to be radically overhauled over the next few years.

But thanks to the amazing work of Rethink campaigners, anyone concerned about these changes now has the chance to hold Chris Grayling MP, Minister for Employment at the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP), to account.

On 10 February at approximately 11.30am, Rethink will be hosting a live web chat with the Minister, and anyone can join in. This is your chance to ask the question that you feel hasn't been answered.

Post your question in advance, right now, by replying to this topic.

And these issues affect millions, so please share this message with anyone you think should know about this unique event - tell them to visit www.rethink.org/talk

Please bear in mind the rules of the board and the guidelines for webchats. We realise that this issue can provoke strong feelings, but please understand that this particular topic is for questions only. You can of course have discussions and comment about this webchat elsewhere on RethinkTalk.

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Posted 17 January 2011 - 08:19 PM

Sz often follows a relapsing and remitting course, so why does ESA assessment depend on a snapshot judgement of a person's health?

Sz is aggravated by stress, so aren't the ESA assessment process and job seeking interviews likely to make a person with sz more ill?

Why are so few claimants for ESA allocated to the support group?

Isn't it a waste of money that so many ESA Atos decisions are overturned on appeal?

Why were the ESA descriptors that measure how people withy mental illness can function reduced from 40 descriptors to just 21?

Why is the ESA work capability assessment carried out by relatively inexperienced Atos employees rather than qualified and experienced NHS staff who have experience of working with psychiatric patients?
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Posted 17 January 2011 - 08:19 PM

If I have worked and paid my national Insurance contributions over 20 years, why will I only be able to claim one years ESA despite the fact that I am suffering from psychosis and schizophrenia.

To claim means tested ESA we will have to sell the house that both my husband and I have worked hard for - then we will have to rent etc. It doesn't seem right.

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Posted 17 January 2011 - 08:22 PM

How can you expect someone with a severe mental illness, who may lack insight into their condition and believe that there is nothing wrong with them, to complete the assessment process for ESA giving a good indication of their functional ability?

With regards to the ESA assessment process, reports are made of rushed assessments, assumptions being made without exploration, inaccurate recording, and poor recognition of mental health problems. What measures are being taken to improve this?
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Posted 17 January 2011 - 09:30 PM

DLA looks at "care" and "mobility". What criteria will be used to judge eligibility for PIPs? Will PIPs assess the needs of people with psychiatric illness as well as those with physical disability?

Why can't PIPs assessments be carried out by NHS staff qualified and experienced in psychiatric illness?

PIPs will stop if a person is in hospital. Does that mean that someone with sz who is hospitalised frequently will have to undergo the whole assessment process from scratch every time they are acutely ill?
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Posted 17 January 2011 - 11:08 PM

How can even the stress & worry that people are being put under; of even the thought of these new benefits be justified? Let alone how can the very real implications of reduced income, potential & very real mental health relapse, potential homelessness - (& all the rest) be justified in the light of how so many people are going to be very effected in a very real & cruel way as a direct result of these benefit changes?

People classed as having 'severe & enduring mental health difficulties' have already been traumatised, socially isolated & excluded by this society & system - & now they are going to be punished some more; all for the misfortune of being unwell.

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 03:49 PM

Mr Grayling,

The facts. Mental illness exists. The majority of people who are claiming sickness benefits as a result of a mental illness do not do so out of choice, but out of necessity. Mental illness also has physical manifestations, but because you cannot see it, it does not mean that it does not exist. Catch 22. The majority of employers would be very aware of the health and safety implications of employing someone with a mental illness (however severe) and also, despite the existence on the DDA, employers DO discriminate. So, how will the Work Programme, being "an integrated package of support (my emphasis)" support the mentally ill. The forms are complicated and ambiguous and are not designed to fully take into account mental illnesses. Little attention is paid to a patient's own medical professionals and the points questionnaire as drafted at present is a mockery of the recognition that mental illness can be as debilitating as a cancer or major surgery, for example. Whilst the stigma remains and more pressure is brought to bear on very vulnerable people, do you not agree that this pressure will inevitably have a domino effect on other state provisions, such as the NHS? If not, why not.

Are the contractors who will be "free" to design support on the needs of individuals when assisting those who are currently in receipt of a sickness benefit back to work to be groups or individuals specifically trained in mental health. Or is this just another bad scheme to replace an already bad one, where providers are offered higher rewards (i.e financial) for getting that person back into a job. A job which could make that person more unwell, despairing, anxious, stressed and in some very tragic cases, suicide.

Would the minister care to elaborate?
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Posted 18 January 2011 - 10:11 PM

I as a mentally ill person can't by definition measure how mentally ill i am, i like to think i'm fairly well, the psychiatrist says i'm functioning on a high level for my illness

I feel under presure to make myself ill to prove i'm ill which is interfering with attempts at recovery

One thing when i have attempted to work they;ve had no doubt i'm severely mentally ill, unfit for work etc

At any medical i'lll be forced to make an issue of things i've spent my life ignoring as a system of coping

I very much worry i'll end up in hospital which won't do me much good nor will it save anybody money
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Posted 19 January 2011 - 02:01 AM

Dear Minister

I am 27 years old and have been trying desperately to access mental health services on the NHS since the age of 14, at which point I was diagnosed with major clinical depression. I see no point in detailing the finer points of my case, but please do be prepared for this to be a lengthy query nevertheless, as there is much that the government needs to hear on mental health issues - both in terms of benefit reform, and regarding the catalogue of errors and mental health care deficiencies endemic in the NHS.

NHS Faults

Suffice to say, in my background in the NHS, all my attempts to get the help that I desperately needed failed; either I was receiving treatment, and the clinician left for another job (without an alternative being offered to me), or I was assessed and then even at times disdainfully dismissed back to my GP, or whatever.

I have a string of GCSEs, three A Levels, a degree and a post-graduate diploma and have worked since the age of 16 (part-time during terms, full-time during holidays). There were times when study/work was difficult and, indeed, impossible due to my mental health difficulties, and indeed I could unfortunately not complete my Masters degree owing to this (resulting in a Diploma). I am not arrogant, and hope that is not how I come across in making this point, but I am trying to highlight the fact that (a) one does not educate and work in this fashion if one wishes to end up a benefit claimaint and (B) for a long time I was strong enough to co-exist with my mental health difficulties - but in so doing, I set myself up for a very serious fall.

In mid-2008, I had a massive breakdown from which I have not yet recovered. After another string of pillar-to-posting bureaucracy from my local NHS Trust, I was *finally* allocated psychodynamic therapy with a psychologist who appeared competent and with whom I enjoyed a good working relationship. During this time I also finally saw a psychiatrist, and was duly diagnosedwith complex post-traumatic stress disorder and borderline personality disorder with psychotic and dissociative features (on top of the earlier clinical depression diagnosis). Progress was being made in therapy; however, the treatment was prematurely halted, in contravention of the health service and NICE's own guidelines on the matter (as well as the Northern Ireland strategies on same), on grounds that have yet to be fully explained to me. I had been making slow but steady progress, but unfortunately when dismissed from therapy, I was left in a worst position than before owing to the severe levels of re-traumatisation that occurred. I accept that this is a necessary part of the process in some cases, including my own; however, re-traumatising someone to this level and then knowingly and deliberately neglecting to address and resolve the inherent difficulties is not just negligent; it is barbaric.

Such appalling 'service' is utterly unacceptable and is extremely unlikely to take place in the realm of physical health. Furthermore, the psychologist/Trust went ahead with my discharge despite my consultant psychiatrist's advice and requests that the therapy continue. I attempted to fight the decision, even getting my MP and other political representatives to assist me; as a result of this complaint, which has taken a year to get to this point, I am (with my patient advocate and a close friend) about to meet the Assistant Director of the Trust, as well as their Head of Psychology. I have no idea if this will secure me the further therapy that I clearly need, but I felt it was important to fight for it regardless, even though the 'battle' (as it has felt like) did, regrettably, see my health deteriorate even further again.

My Illnesses and How They Affect Me

My symptoms include dissociation - such as fugues/'waking up' and derealisation; frequent hallucinations - usually, but not always, hearing (malicious/persecutory) voices, that attempt to compel me to harm myself (and, more worryingly, at times others); occasional delusions (including persecutory ones); speech (and occasionally thought) disorder that usually makes communication with those I don't know very well impossible; extreme anxiety and agoraphobia that makes leaving the house without a close friend or relative impossible (and extremely difficult even then); self-harm; severe, chronic depression that makes getting out of bed a challenge of epic proportions; suicidal ideation and occasional attempts to act upon that; inability to conduct 'normal', everyday tasks such as cooking and attending to my personal hygiene; a dearth of self-confidence and self-worth; inability to concentrate and focus; inability to use the phone; inability to act with strangers; the existence of an 'alter' personality, over whose presence I have no control; and many more. I also suffer from severe IBS which is, as you may know, exacerbated by such stresses as seen in mental illness. Furthermore, the medication that I necessarily take to control my psychotic symptoms has profound effects in terms of next day 'hangovers'; both it and my anti-depressant medication also have embarrassing and occasionally debilitating physical effects.

My points (finally!) are these.


1. Do you believe that, given the above information, I am capable of any form of employment whilst my symptoms remain, especially given that the very vast majority of jobs involve interaction with others as well as, inevitably, a good concentration span?

2. Would you agree with me when I say that if the NHS had provided adequate treatment months or years before now, and/or if they had offered the length of therapy that they should have done during my recent encounter with them, that it is possible that I may have recovered enough to (return to) work? If you consider this a possibility, can you explain why - if I lose my benefit income thanks to your reforms - I will pay the price for the health service's failure to provide the care for which it purports to exist?

3. Do you think that I would have previously worked for so long, studied hard for five long years as a university student and incurred thousands of pounds in student debts if I had ever had wished to do anything other than work for a living?

4. Do you think that, given the above material, I and thousands of others in similar positions deserve to lose my/our benefits? Are you aware that this will almost certainly cause indescribable despair, homelessness and even death amongst this country's mentally ill?

5. If you really feel that the testimony of GPs, consultants and a person's other immediate healthcare professionals are unworthy of your trust in terms of assessing a claimaint's authenticity and severity of illness/disability, will you undertake to guarantee that specialists assessors are employed in those cases that you decide to send to a medical? In this arena specifically, I am suggesting that only qualified psychiatrists (or, possibly, clinical psychologists under the guidance of a senior psychiatrist) be able to assess mental health claimaints (the same point applies to other health conditions, of course). I, and many, many others, have been through numerous hoop-jumping, apparently tick-boxing assessments - themselves so stressful they can land a person in hospital - where the assessing practitioner simply does not at all appreciate the very real difficulties living with mental illnesses incur. I was even at one assessment where the doctor had not even heard of some of my diagnostic conditions. Can you explain how such a person is qualified to make a judgement on a diagnosis, when they are unaware of the very basics of what that even entails?

This Post Versus The Everyday

I appreciate that I may seem rational and collected in this extremely long comment to you - perhaps, you may argue, the anti-thesis of the way I described myself above. There are numerous reasons for this - one, I have composed this message over many, many hours - concentrating on it is otherwise impossible; two, I am at home with my mother, my registered carer, one of the very few people I trust implicitly; three, my voices have been quiet today (although I have experienced other, less threatening, hallucinations) - the biggest difficulty with both my psychotic and dissociative symptoms is that there is no pattern to their severity nor their taking hold of me; four, and perhaps this is the crucial bit, I have had help. The points expressed herein are mine, but my mother and a close friend have assisted with the minutiae. There are other reasons too, but managing to eventually put this together does not in any way negate the seriousness of my illnesses and the profound effects that they have on my daily existence.

I appreciate that this has been a very long and protracted 'question' and for that I apologise. However, I felt it imperative to outline in as much detail as I could the unfortunate situation I've been driven to thanks to the NHS, and the seriousness of the symptoms that presently - but, with the right help, I hope not always - keep me from working.

Thank you very much indeed for your time and consideration, and I look forward to your response.

Best wishes

Kaz
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Posted 19 January 2011 - 01:27 PM

Good morning

We have a system now where those disabled people who are able to work can do Permitted Work (formerly called Therapeutic Work) in recognition that some people may only ever be able to work a small amount while still retaining their dignity and self-worth. But whenever I have written to Ministers about Permitted Work, they avoid this. The cynical part of me can’t help thinking this is because Permitted Work allows disabled people too stay on benefits.

If work is beneficial to disabled people, let the disabled people be the judge and manage at their own pace and in their own time.

How can they progress through fear and fear of withdrawal of financial support? Your consultation on Employment Support for Disabled People states you have a range of employment programmes which provide support to people with disability-related barriers to work and that you plan to launch the Work Programme next year, which will offer support to customers in receipt of Employment and Support Allowance, including those with disability-related barriers.

Do you recognize that paid work isn’t always the solution for people, especially those with mental health problems? Many of us have tried this for years, and have found that it worsens our health.

What about concentrating on using our time constructively, eg creative or voluntary work, or study, which gives us a feeling of worth and self-esteem? For instance, I am agoraphobic and socially phobic, as well as having fibromyalgia (a fluctuating condition characterized by many symptoms especially fatigue and pain). Bullying and force makes people who already suffer with a pathological fear, even worse.

Do you recognize that many of the symptoms of the conditions above, appear invisible to the casual onlooker but have very real and measurable physical symptoms eg anxiety, migraines, palpitations, dizziness, fatigue, IBS, bladder problems, Vitamin D deficiencies, serotonin deficiencies etc

Agoraphobia doesn’t in every case mean people can’t get out, but it means we experience our symptoms in places or situations where we feel trapped, over which we have no control and where we can’t escape.

What about those whose disability who makes them largely housebound?

For those who wish to work, are they going to have the choice to work from home? If so, is the Access to Work funding going to provide help with heating and other costs? Up-to-date equipment etc?

Under the Equalities Act 2010, a disabled person is able to ask an employer to make reasonable adjustments and this can be in the form of hours worked. So let’s suppose a disabled person can only manage half a day a week. Clearly they’re not going to make enough to live on, so who is going to make up the shortfall in their income? Are the DWP? And if so, will this be without conditions attached? If the DWP puts conditions upon the disabled person eg to find a job with longer hours the DWP could find themselves in a difficult legal position under the Equalities Act. On the other hand, if the DWP do not make up the shortfall in benefits or tax credits then the disabled person will have to refuse work on the grounds of too little income and risk losing benefits for having refused a job.

Clearly, the priority should make it possible for disabled people to participate in the work they choose and the hours they can manage, while knowing they will receive a livable wage.

For those disabled people who can manage more than 16 hours a week and want to apply for Disabled Working Tax Credits, this is a good incentive while DLA provides a passport benefit. However, if DLA is to be replaced by Personal Independent Payments with no passport into working tax credits then this is a disincentive for disabled people to work. In other words, removing DLA or its equivalent as a passport benefit will be an added barrier to work since, at present, DLA assists many disabled people to work.
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Posted 20 January 2011 - 12:38 AM

How does scaring and scapegoating the mentally ill with these welfare reforms help them?
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Posted 20 January 2011 - 11:16 AM

Hi all, please stick to questions about welfare and benefits - issues like the NHS and legal aid are covered by departments other than the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) - so the Minister will be unable to answer them.

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 02:53 PM

Could the minister explain what incentives will be available for employers to employ someone on community treatment order who needs flexible working hours ,a decent living wage
faces discrimination from other employees needs on going support from occupational ttherapists, frequent time off for periods of psychosis upto 9mths of the year?
Has side effects from medications requiring diabetes tea breaks and time out for stress. Has toiletry needs above other workers so needs frequent toilet breaks.

Such a person has dependants and requires a decent living wage so cannot afford part time wages. How does the minister prepose to help in such a situation?This would be common to most schizophrenics
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Posted 20 January 2011 - 04:27 PM

As i think he's not going to reconsider, as a damage control exercise, i hear about disabled people been able to work on top of benefits, can he say what the definition of disabled that will be used by his civil servants will be, when brown introduced a disabnled minimum income you had to be on DLA at the high rate to qualify, i was on the middle rate. still am

Then given the power he's giving to these dwp workers, are any of them going to be accountable for their decisions, i've asaked them for their names before and they'ved refused to give a name, letters are never signed, i would like to think that if i have to contact my mp the persons involved in the decision are held responsible
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Posted 21 January 2011 - 03:14 PM

View PostChris - Rethink, on 17 January 2011 - 06:26 PM, said:

Posted ImageThursday 10 February sees your chance to grill a Government Minister about welfare reform

Many people affected by mental health issues are worried about the Government's proposed changes to the welfare system. The benefits that millions currently receive are to be radically overhauled over the next few years.

But thanks to the amazing work of Rethink campaigners, anyone concerned about these changes now has the chance to hold Chris Grayling MP, Minister for Employment at the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP), to account.

On 10 February at approximately 11.30am, Rethink will be hosting a live web chat with the Minister, and anyone can join in. This is your chance to ask the question that you feel hasn't been answered.

Post your question in advance, right now, by replying to this topic.

And these issues affect millions, so please share this message with anyone you think should know about this unique event - tell them to visit www.rethink.org/talk

Please bear in mind the rules of the board and the guidelines for webchats. We realise that this issue can provoke strong feelings, but please understand that this particular topic is for questions only. You can of course have discussions and comment about this webchat elsewhere on RethinkTalk.

I get DLA indefinitely, I understand even those of us allocated DLA indefinitely are going to be reassessed under the ESA guidelines, I'm already very stressed about this. My DLA is my only income at the moment, it is not right that as an adult I could potentially become totally dependent on someone else. Bipolar is affected by stress and I am stressed. I want the government to understand the distress they are causing people.
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Posted 21 January 2011 - 03:19 PM

7 questions:


ESA: Will the govt open it up so that more people pass first time? At present, last I read, 40% of decisions have been over-turned on appeal. And many are too intimidated to appeal in the first place. That is a massive error-rate, and leaves the vulnerable without needed finances for a long time whilst the appeal goes through. Assuming you haven't scared them away from the benefits they should have.

It needs fixing desperately. Will the govt do something about this before April 2011? There isn't a Whitehall dept out there that would accept an error rate that high. And why are so many charities being ignored when they pass in feedback about it? I thought David Cameron was all for locals looking after locals?


ATOS being paid to declare people fit for work: Is it not obvious that paying people who are not medical professionals ( Dr's, Psychiatrists ) to declare people fit for work will lead to you being diddled by ATOS? Could this very badly set up system ( paying bonuses to people to clear the ill for work ) be why you have such a very high error rate? Due to typical bureaucratic stat-rigging based around greed?

Please also remember each error is an ill person who is then run through the mangler of JSA and very low income WHILST ILL. And we're not built for stress anymore you'll find, as it causes relapses. There's no backdate either, so the arrears in bills etc etc you accrue in this 'limbo' period are real. As in, you are stuck with them. The inhumanity of this act should be obvious, yet it seems to be happily happening out there. Even though it was a Tory govt that ended the Asylums ( very cruel places ) and also gave us DLA ( as we were living below the poverty line otherwise ).

So why is this rubbish happening? What assurances can the minister give us that things will be working properly by April 2011?


Qualified and safe?: As I am sure you are aware to do Volunteer Work under a local organiser they need medical contacts should something go wrong. It is a matter of safety, as the organiser recognises they are not qualified to make medical decisions.

I have recently been informed that ATOS are allowed to ignore Dr's letters taken into their assessments. Letters at GP level, and also at the higher Psychiatrist level. Yet, as has become apparent, these ATOS assessors are just admins. They're not qualified enough to ignore the experts, yet are allowed to.

Is it not obvious how dangerous this is? Practicing medicine without a license is illegal after all. Medical regulations are there for a reason.

So why are ATOS getting special treatment? It sounds discriminatory ( a double standard ), and sadly like a Political Agenda that ignores The Law.


The Personal Independence Payment: Under DLA I am not legally obliged to work. This gives me the protection I need to be able to down tools when required and rest. I do a lot of volunteer work anyway, but even so. Knowing I can stop at any time is a huge benefit.

Will this same feature be there under the Personal Independence Payment?


And will the money paid to me under PIP be the same amount as I get under DLA? With ESA I will get less, but that is made up by Housing Benefit differences ( 11 pounds less means I do not have to pay the difference on Housing Benefit, I will get my rent fully covered. So I can recoup that 11 pounds. ). Will transferring me to PIP leave me with a benefit cut I cannot recoup?


The PIP and govt targets for reductions: After the above payment question I'd like to know how the govt believes they can reduce DLA outgoings by 20%? Without cutting my benefits and increasing the stress in my life do they honestly think they're going to find that many fraudsters?


London Weighting & Benefits: When are the govt going to add a London Weighting increment to benefits? For those that live in The Capital the cost of living is higher, yet we get the same money as elsewhere. If everyone else gets it then why don't we? A 'fairness' issue obviously.

I appreciate that Housing Benefit covers some of the increased cost, but part of London Weighting is food and clothing. These are more expensive if you live in London. As is cab-fare ( part of DLA ). So why do benefits not reflect this in this age of ever higher fuel bills and VAT? For half London Weighting ( Croydon area ) the difference is 30 quid per week. Of which about 10 pounds per week is food, cabs, and clothing ( the other 20 going on rent ).

So why do benefits not have a London Weighting increment the same way wages do? We're entitled to a reasonable standard of living after all. Why discriminate against us?



You'll find a lot of this is IDS's precious statistics. Personally I believe they are waaaaay out in their quality, and I doubt the govt will reach their targets without harming A LOT of people. Fraudsters are a minority, and I very much doubt you'll find that many in Mental Health.

For the record I am Green Party.


Edited to add some questions.
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Posted 21 January 2011 - 03:54 PM

what are the government's actuarial calculations for the number of deaths per year that will occur as a direct outcome of the welfare 'reforms'?
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Posted 21 January 2011 - 04:06 PM

Being a bit paranoid, what can the minister say to placate my suspicion that this is an attempt to push the long term claimant onto a lower benefit, via a failed attempt at gaining or keeping work?
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Posted 21 January 2011 - 06:00 PM

Hello Chris Grayling,

I have battled with mental health problems since I was a teenager,I am now 52, I worked mostly from the ages of 13 to 48 years old, having to intermittently take time off from work because of poor mental health. I had to give up work when I was 48 due to my mental health seriously deteriorating.I have been diagnosed with schizophrenia. I have always been a low paid worker and therefore have no private pension and no wealth, although I have always paid into the system.
I am now dependant on welfare benefits for my income and am exempt from seeking employment by the DWP.

My question to you is this:

Having contributed to society for 35 years even when I was unwell, do you feel that it is UNreasonable for me to expect to be provided a living wage to meet my basic needs now that I am too unwell to work.
How can you reassure me that if I am called to an ATOS medical when I.B. migrates to ESA that the examiner will firstly know anything about my condition and secondly if the examiner is not psychiatrically trained that they will accept evidence from my consultant psychiatrist, G.P. and Social Worker that I am too unwell to work.
All the evidence to date suggests that ATOS examiners are not medically trained,nor take any notice of doctors reports,will any assessment I have then be fair and reasonable.

Lastly, I am very confused as to how Consultants and G.P'S reports are over ruled by ATOS when doctors have been employed by the NHS presumably because they know their job and are trained to know better than anyone about a patients condition,which is why I thought you are handing over health budgets to G.P.'s etc. Is this a double standard?

Thankyou
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Posted 21 January 2011 - 06:17 PM

@Chris from Rethink

If you are referring to my earlier substantial comment that included reference to the NHS, I feel it imperative to point out that the references made therein were necessary for contextual purposes. They directly impinge upon my circumstances re: benefits and a potential return to work. Furthermore, as you will appreciate, it is incumbent upon government to hold to a doctrine of collective responsibility, and to this end, it is important that Mr Grayling is apprised of all relevant facts in order that he may, where appropriate or relevant (as in this case), communicate this to his cabinet colleagues.

I would emphasise, again, that social security payments are not delivered in isolation. There are many other factors influencing the matter, including a claimant's general situation, and I would hope that Rethink would make strenuous representations to the Minister in this regard.

Best regards

Kaz
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