Money Madness

Topics: Siblings, Family and friends, Work and money

I am not sure if I am experiencing something familiar to others but the subject of money and my brother’s finances is taking up so much of my time at the moment.  I hope you don’t mind me getting this off my chest and I would really like to hear what other’s perspectives are on what is happening. 

Paul is still in hospital I am afraid, still on the section.  Some things are a bit better.  He only absconded once in the last month and he does now have some protected talking time with staff.  He is now allowed some escorted leave.  He doesn’t seem to be getting as much access to cannabis and alcohol but in the last few weeks he hasn’t had any money as you will hear.  It’s now been 11 weeks since he was sectioned.  His moods are still rapidly changeable, but mostly he is still really elated and most of what he talks about is related to his delusions and just is not related to things that are really happening.  I keep in touch with Paul by phone (though sometimes I have to force myself to call, I just hope the calls let him know that it does not matter what he says to me or what he does I will always be there for him). I visit him and attend his reviews every 2-3 weeks (I live quite a long way away so I have to get time off from work and travel up etc or I would go more).  Someone in the family visits him nearly every day and mom goes to all the weekly reviews.  I also send an email every week to his care team just so they have our views/perspective in writing.

There are still a number of things that worry me (e.g. when will he start to get better, is he really taking his medication, will they take him back at his supported house, why can’t the staff organise themselves so that they are all up-to-date with what happens and what is decided in his review etc. etc) but one of the major problems seems to be Paul’s finances. 

Since Paul started to get unwell, just after Christmas, one of the behaviours that has been a major cause for concern for us all has been around money.  This issues I describe aren’t new but for some reason this episode they seem worse. One reason seems to be because his credit rating seems to be better than it was. 

Paul has had issues in the past that meant it was difficult for him to get credit but about two years ago while Paul was having another episode he successfully applied for a credit card, it has extortionate rates.  He spent quite a bit on the card but luckily the episode was managed really quickly and outside of hospital.  His medication was reviewed and the episode never really got too bad.  After this Paul managed to pay the minimum payment for a while, paid some off with a crisis loan and then Paul asked me to help him with it.  He sent the card to me for safekeeping (so he could use it just in emergencies) and I set up a direct debit to continue paying the minimum amount.  At the time Paul was worried about the debt and this seemed the best thing to do but I think this has improved his credit rating.

This time when he got unwell his finances have been a nightmare. In the month running up to his admission, he applied and was approved for various loans, credit cards and store cards.  However he was sectioned before he got hold of any of them.  I now have all the mail relating to this.

For the first month of his admission we tried to help him manage his money, he wasn’t happy with this but agreed that we could have access to his bank card.   We thought we were doing the best thing by making sure things were paid for and that he always had enough cigarettes, spending money etc.  I also took all the mail that seemed to be related to his finances and said I would give them back when he was well.   During this time whenever we gave him cash a friend of his would visit and Paul would give her the money.  This frustrated us but at least we knew he had what he needed.

He got really mad with us about us controlling all this, which I can understand but we were honestly doing what we though was best.  After a while we decided to give him more control, the money was such a wedge between us.  We started just taking the money from his benefits that he needed to pay for his house and gave him the rest of the cash to buy his own things (e.g. tobacco etc).   However this still was not good enough and eventually we gave in and Paul insisted that he control his own money completely.  As soon has we gave him the bank card he gave it to this same friend and since then she has been taking his benefits out and spending them on herself.  Leaving Paul with nothing.  In Paul’s view he is helping this friend.  In the mean time he calls us all demanding money and cigarettes.  The staff call us and say we need to bring him stuff because he is hard to manage.  It has been really hard, and we are never sure what to do.  Give him stuff because it is horrible to see him without anything and carry on paying his bills etc, or stop and hope that he realises the consequences of his actions. 

As well as this Paul is also desperately trying to get access to the credit cards, store cards and accept loans.  He wants access to money and he wants to give this friend more than just his benefit money.  At the moment I have all the letters unopened and I am refusing to give them to him.  However this last week he has started ringing round to ask for replacement cards and the staff at his supported house say that Paul has demanded that they no longer give me his mail.  I understand that we don’t have a leg to stand on about restricting all this, but it all seems a bit ridiculous, the whole team agree that he is still very unwell but they don’t seem to know if there is anything we can do to protect him. 

In ways it is quite funny, in that Paul and I are almost trying to outwit each other. I took him out this Wednesday after his review, so that he could go to the bank to see if he had any money.  When we got there all is money had been drawn out by his friend, so he had none for the week.  I decided it might be nice to take him to lunch at the local department store before we went back to the hospital.  But once in there I was unable to stop him reordering one of the store cards that he had applied for before his admission.  One that he had never got hold of because I have his post!  He is always about 10 steps ahead of me!
 
I wonder what you all think of this maybe I have been doing the wrong things but I can honestly say I have been trying to do what I think is best.  I know Paul wouldn’t be trying to get into all this debt if he was well or giving all his money away.  I am honestly worried about the position he will have to face when he is well if I don’t try to protect him from some of this behaviour. 

Anyway for now at least I think that now his care team have realised that they need to be more active about managing this behaviour as he really is only like this when he is unwell.  I think they may have thought that we were being too protective.  Maybe we were.  Anyway at least now they are trying to see how they might be able to take on some of the responsibility.  I‘ll let you know what happens. 

I also wanted to say a big thank you to all of you that read my blog.  Sometimes I just feel like I don’t know what to do next or that there just isn’t anything that I can do but reading the support and advice on the comments truly helps me.  It reminds me that I have to keep trying and it gives me strength.

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1. At 11:16 PM on 11 September 2009 bi-polar nightmare wrote:

wish

all one can say aswel laura is if one had as much support as some people have i may be would be more well i would love to have a job generate income and be of service to the world at large it is soooo difficult being diagnosed ill or well there is always a stigma a taboo who knows who is really well or indeed ill? some are just better at dealing with life and the complexities therin,
2. At 11:18 AM on 22 July 2009 Sheena wrote:

Finances

Hi Laura Money was also a problem with my 25 year old son who suffers from paranoid schizophrenia. When he was allowed home on over night leave, he thought he was well enough to work; he would then cancel all his benefits this happened time after time, I was then left to sort out this problem again and again. I then spoke to the doctor and benefit agencies and told them this situation could not continue in defiantly so I was made his appointee of his benefits, I can now pay his bills and transfer money into his account every week, I keep a log of the money that comes in and the bills that are paid he can read this log at any time, I must admit he was not happy with this arrangement to begin with but 12 months on he might not understand it but accepts it. I just thank God he didn't have a debit card/credit card otherwise he would be in so much debt. We do have to protect them from of their behaviour because we love them and want the best for them.
3. At 12:28 PM on 23 June 2009 Claire wrote:

Money

Hi Laura, Thanks for your comments about my blog. It sounds like a very difficult situation with your brother and his finances at the moment. I don't know if this would help, but would you be able to have a joint meeting with your brother, family, ward staff and staff from his supported housing to discuss all of this? I can appreciate it is very difficult to reason with your brother when he is unwell and just wondered whether this would be helpful to you all. I really hope that this is all resolved soon and that your brother gets well soon. Claire xxx.
4. At 11:24 AM on 25 May 2009 ed wrote:

money

My son is bipolar and money is a major problem. Mental illness is a social condition, it may appear to be an individual problem but the way it manifests is integral to the society it is within. Our society with its obsession for material wealth, where status and security depend upon it creates the conditions for financial mayhem and with no shortage of lenders giving away credit, STILL!, anyone vulnerable is exploited mercilessly. The exploitation is evil and the responsibility should not be placed upon the victims. There needs to a far greater onus upon the lenders to ensure that those with Mental health issues are not drawn deeper into the cycle of debt. Strengthened get out clauses, especially with vehicle finance would be a start.
5. At 08:32 AM on 09 May 2009 setay423 wrote:

Finances

Good for you for sticking with your brother. Money is very often a problem for people with mental illness. With my son's permission I took Power of Attorney and opened a joint bank account with him and myself. We have always been on good terms and we disccussed his spending and agreed if he could afford whatever. I never took anything out of the joint account for myself, it was all my son's. It worked well for us. I have now, with his permission changed the Power of Attorney to his older brother, as i am no spring chicken. As your brother has been on drugs, he will probably have to become drug free before he can in any way manage his money. You should be getting advice about this from one of the Mental Health Team. My son was not on street drugs so that was not a problem. Best wishes, and stick with him. He is lucky to have a sister like you.
6. At 07:18 PM on 24 April 2009 Hannah wrote:

Hi Laura

Hi Laura, Ive read some of your blogs and I just wanted to say, that you should be soo proud of yourself...you sound like a very strong person and it sounds like you are doing everything you can for your brother in a very positive way. Its extremely admirable. My brother has been in and out of hospital also under sections with bipolar, and I know how hard it is to see him in there. I was not as hands on as you, because it was just too hard. I moved to London whilst my brother was in hospital. I just wanted to say he will get better, and it is only a matter of time before the meds will kick in and he'll come out of his episode. The last episode my brother had lasted much longer than the first (5 months) and I too became very worried and anxious...wondering if he was ever going to get better. But he did and he is currently in France building a house with my relatives in the sunshine! Im 24 and really want to help build a relationship with my brother again who is a year older then me, we hardly speak and we used to be so close. You sound so pro-active and knowlegdable any advice? Kind Regards Hannah

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